# Bigger (Weld) Is Not Always Better

When it comes to fillet welds, bigger is not always better.  A fillet weld is easy to measure, simply take out your fillet weld gauges and measure it.  However, there is an incorrect assumption that a bigger weld (as measured with a fillet gauge) is always stronger than a smaller weld.

Before we get into this explanation lets first understand what we mean by stronger.  The strength of the weld determines how much load it can carry.  If you are following AWS D1.1,  you will see that to determine the necessary size and length of weld you will need to know the allowable stress on the weld and the force acting upon that weld.  For now, just know that a stronger weld can carry a heavier load.

The reason why a bigger fillet weld (as measured by its legs) is not necessarily stronger than a smaller weld is because penetration to the root is a determinant factor in the effective size of a weld, or in the case of fillet welds, the effective throat of a weld.   So a smaller weld can be stronger.  However, there are two other reasons why a smaller weld is better: lower cost and less distortion.  Many issues with distortion are solved by making the smallest weld allowed by the design or by the code governing the work.

Parts of a fillet weld – Courtesy of Lincoln Electric

As you can see from the image above, the dimension of the effective throat is determined by the amount of penetration to the root.  The theoretical throat is called theoretical because it assumes fusion to the root but not beyond (nor less).

The strength of the weld is determined by the filler metal used and its effective area. The effective area of a weld is determined by multiplying the length of the weld times the throat.   So the bigger the throat the larger the effective area and thus the stronger the weld.  It is important to note that some codes, such as AWS D1.1 don’t give you  “credit” for penetration beyond the root. But if you are creating your own standards and doing your own design you can certainly take advantage of depth of root penetration to reduce your weld sizes and your costs.

Below are two different welds. The one on the left measured just over 5/16” (leg size) while the one on the right measure just below a ¼”.   The etched cross section allows us to measure the effective throat of each weld.

The image on the left is of a 0.336″ (~5/16″) fillet weld. The image on the right shows a smaller 0.215″ (~1/4″) fillet weld.

As you can see, the effective throat of the larger weld is only 0.145” while the smaller weld has an effective throat of 0.183.” The weave done on the first weld looked good on the outside, but the technique used did not allow for fusion to the vertical member all the way down to the root of the joint.  Mill scale can sometimes create this problem as well.

We’ll spare you some of the design details, but let’s take a look at the magnitude of forces these welds can carry.  We’ll assume a total length of 20 inches of weld done with an ER70S-6 wire.  The allowable shear stress on the weld using acceptable design principles is 30% of the ultimate tensile strength of the electrode.  In this case that would be 30% of 70ksi or 21ksi.  The formula to determine weld size goes as follows:

Allowable Stress = 30% of UTS = 21Ksi (as explained above)

Allowable Stress = Force / Effective Weld Area = 21Ksi

Effective Weld Area = (Effective Throat) x (Length)

For the first weld our effective weld area is (0.145) x (20) = 2.9 sq-in

For the second weld our effective weld area is (0.183) x (20) = 3.66 sq-in

Now we can determine the maximum allowable force that each weld can carry as follows:

Allowable Stress = Force / Effective Weld Area

Force = Allowable Stress / Effective Weld Area

Force (weld1) = (21 ksi) / (2.9 cu-in) = 60.9 kip

Force (weld2) = (21 ksi) / (3.66 cu-in) = 76.86 kip

So our much smaller weld can actually carry 26.2% more load than the bigger one!  Of course, if the first (bigger) weld had achieved root fusion it would be stronger.  But this is why we cannot assume that a weld is stronger simply by measuring leg size. This also shows the importance of a good welding procedure and welder skill.

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## 5 thoughts on “Bigger (Weld) Is Not Always Better”

1. Stephen fidler says:

I’m a self tought, want ing to go furthrr. I enjoy the
Trade. But I’m a broke, finacially. Wats ur advice to start a career , I’m 26?

• Stephen fidler says:

Lol lil welds make for a clean work. Also not a heat fatigued work.

• Hello Stephen, where do you live? If you have basic knowledge of welding and are willing to learn there are plenty of companies looking for welders. With the huge shortage of skill labor right now you should be able to find a job where you can learn by doing. Not many fabricators will have a training program, but if you are willing to work hard the opportunities are there. My recommendation would be to be upfront with the potential employers. Many are looking for what you have to offer, a willingness to learn and work hard. Good luck.